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The God Gene
By Dean H. Hamer
Hamer makes a distinction between spirituality and religion. This is important to understand his theory because he explains that spirituality is a personality trait that we all have a degree of, while religion is an expression of that trait of spirituality that is culturally passed on.

In his own words, he explains: "Spirituality is based in consciousness, religion in cognition. Spirituality is universal, whereas cultures have their own forms of religion. I would argue that the most important contrast is that spirituality is genetic, while religion is based on cultures, traditions, beliefs, and ideas. It is, in other words, mimetic."
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The question as to whether or not we are hardwired for religion and spirituality is an important one, says pioneering neuroscientist Andrew Newberg. “When we look at how the brain works, we see it’s able to very easily engage in religious and spiritual practices, ideas and experiences.”

Dr. Andrew Newberg :

Dr. Andrew Newberg is the director of research at the Jefferson Myrna Brind Center of Integrative Medicine and a physician at Jefferson University Hospital. He is board certified in internal medicine and nuclear medicine. Andrew has been asking questions about reality, truth, and God since he was very young, and he has long been fascinated by the human mind and its complex workings. While a medical student, he met Dr. Eugene d’Aquili, who was studying religious experiences. Combining their interests with Andrew’s background in neuroscience and brain imaging, they were able to break new theoretical and empirical ground on the relationship between the brain and religion.

Andrew’s research now largely focuses on how brain function is associated with various mental states—in particular, religious and mystical experiences. His research has included brain scans of people in prayer, meditation, rituals, and trance states, as well as surveys of people's spiritual experiences and attitudes. He has also evaluated the relationship between religious or spiritual phenomena and health, and the effect of meditation on memory. He believes that it is important to keep science rigorous and religion religious. Andrew has also used neuroimaging research projects to study aging and dementia, Parkinson's disease, epilepsy, depression, and other neurological and psychiatric disorders.

Dr. Newberg has published over 100 research articles, essays and book chapters, and is the co-author of the best selling books, Why God Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief (Ballantine, 2001) and How God Changes Your Brain: Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist (Ballantine, 2009). He has presented his research throughout the world in both scientific and public forums. He appeared on Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America, ABC's World News Tonight, National Public Radio, London Talk Radio and over fifteen nationally syndicated radio programs. His work has been featured in Time, Newsweek, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and many other newspapers and magazines.

His newest work is How Enlightenment Changes Your Brain: The New Science of Transformation.

https://youtu.be/HxQjdiV8z_c

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Andrew Newberg: The question as to whether or not we are hardwired for religion and spirituality, I think, is a very important one. When we look at how the brain works, it looks like the brain is able to very easily engage in religious and spiritual practices, ideas and experiences. All the brain scan studies that we've done show that there are multiple parts of the brain that seem to get involved. So it really does look like the brain is so easily capable of having these experiences. Now exactly how that ability got into the brain is, of course, a much more complex and both philosophical and scientific question. The scientists would say, well, maybe it was through millions of years of evolution, that because being religious or spiritual was an adaptive process it got incorporated into the biological mechanisms of the brain. And there are certainly a lot of reasons to support that.

And, of course, if you're a religious individual it also makes sense that if there is a God up there and we're down here that we would have a brain that's capable of communicating to God, praying to God, doing the things that God needs us to do. Otherwise there would be this kind of fundamentally silly disconnect. We wouldn't be able to have any kind of interaction with God. So it does look like the brain, no matter how it got there, does have this profound ability to engage in religious and spiritual experiences, and that's part of why we've seen religion and spirituality be a part of human history since the very dawn of civilization.

One of the things that we find to be such an important element of many of the rituals and practices that people do as part of their religious traditions is the repetition of it. The more that you come back to a particular idea, the more you focus on it, the more you say a phrase or a prayer, those are the ideas and beliefs that become written into the neural connections of the brain.

Read the full transcript at https://bigthink.com/videos/is-the-huma ... d-for-god/
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Re: A distinction between spirituality and religion By Dean H. Hamer

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Dr Andrew Newberg is a neuroscientist, author, Professor, and the Research Director in the Marcus Institute of Integrative Health at Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia. He studies how brain function is associated with various mental states, and is a pioneer in the neurological study of religious and spiritual experiences – a field known as “neurotheology.” Dr Newberg’s research has included brain scans of people in prayer, meditation, rituals, and trance states, as well as surveys of people’s spiritual experiences and attitudes. He has also evaluated the relationship between religious or spiritual phenomena and health, and the effect of meditation on memory. He believes that it is important to keep science rigorous, and religion religious. You can learn more about Dr Newberg’s work at: http://www.andrewnewberg.com

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Dmartin: Thanks for posting this anthonychipoletti. I found it interesting that Dr Newberg talked about the brain having the capability of being hardwired to religious and spiritual experiences. The question is how that ability got there is a complex philosophical and scientific question. It cannot be answered in the brain alone. The brain doesn't work alone it works together with the heart. Our thoughts whether emotions and/or understandings are spoken from our heart. The better question is how the ability of those experiences got in both the brain and heart. It's a creation question, God is the Creator He created every one. Science is not a creator. Dr Newberg seems to understand this and is trying to find a scientific fact God hardwired those experiences. If there is, he might can find it if he includes the heart.  
anthonychipoletti wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2023 5:34 pm https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/ ... s-AA1hAUFM

The God Gene
By Dean H. Hamer
Hamer makes a distinction between spirituality and religion. This is important to understand his theory because he explains that spirituality is a personality trait that we all have a degree of, while religion is an expression of that trait of spirituality that is culturally passed on.

In his own words, he explains: "Spirituality is based in consciousness, religion in cognition. Spirituality is universal, whereas cultures have their own forms of religion. I would argue that the most important contrast is that spirituality is genetic, while religion is based on cultures, traditions, beliefs, and ideas. It is, in other words, mimetic."
https://youtu.be/uxREBlWvxfk
The question as to whether or not we are hardwired for religion and spirituality is an important one, says pioneering neuroscientist Andrew Newberg. “When we look at how the brain works, we see it’s able to very easily engage in religious and spiritual practices, ideas and experiences.”

Dr. Andrew Newberg :

Dr. Andrew Newberg is the director of research at the Jefferson Myrna Brind Center of Integrative Medicine and a physician at Jefferson University Hospital. He is board certified in internal medicine and nuclear medicine. Andrew has been asking questions about reality, truth, and God since he was very young, and he has long been fascinated by the human mind and its complex workings. While a medical student, he met Dr. Eugene d’Aquili, who was studying religious experiences. Combining their interests with Andrew’s background in neuroscience and brain imaging, they were able to break new theoretical and empirical ground on the relationship between the brain and religion.

Andrew’s research now largely focuses on how brain function is associated with various mental states—in particular, religious and mystical experiences. His research has included brain scans of people in prayer, meditation, rituals, and trance states, as well as surveys of people's spiritual experiences and attitudes. He has also evaluated the relationship between religious or spiritual phenomena and health, and the effect of meditation on memory. He believes that it is important to keep science rigorous and religion religious. Andrew has also used neuroimaging research projects to study aging and dementia, Parkinson's disease, epilepsy, depression, and other neurological and psychiatric disorders.

Dr. Newberg has published over 100 research articles, essays and book chapters, and is the co-author of the best selling books, Why God Won't Go Away: Brain Science and the Biology of Belief (Ballantine, 2001) and How God Changes Your Brain: Breakthrough Findings from a Leading Neuroscientist (Ballantine, 2009). He has presented his research throughout the world in both scientific and public forums. He appeared on Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning America, ABC's World News Tonight, National Public Radio, London Talk Radio and over fifteen nationally syndicated radio programs. His work has been featured in Time, Newsweek, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, the Philadelphia Inquirer, and many other newspapers and magazines.

His newest work is How Enlightenment Changes Your Brain: The New Science of Transformation.

https://youtu.be/HxQjdiV8z_c

TRANSCRIPT:

Andrew Newberg: The question as to whether or not we are hardwired for religion and spirituality, I think, is a very important one. When we look at how the brain works, it looks like the brain is able to very easily engage in religious and spiritual practices, ideas and experiences. All the brain scan studies that we've done show that there are multiple parts of the brain that seem to get involved. So it really does look like the brain is so easily capable of having these experiences. Now exactly how that ability got into the brain is, of course, a much more complex and both philosophical and scientific question. The scientists would say, well, maybe it was through millions of years of evolution, that because being religious or spiritual was an adaptive process it got incorporated into the biological mechanisms of the brain. And there are certainly a lot of reasons to support that.

And, of course, if you're a religious individual it also makes sense that if there is a God up there and we're down here that we would have a brain that's capable of communicating to God, praying to God, doing the things that God needs us to do. Otherwise there would be this kind of fundamentally silly disconnect. We wouldn't be able to have any kind of interaction with God. So it does look like the brain, no matter how it got there, does have this profound ability to engage in religious and spiritual experiences, and that's part of why we've seen religion and spirituality be a part of human history since the very dawn of civilization.

One of the things that we find to be such an important element of many of the rituals and practices that people do as part of their religious traditions is the repetition of it. The more that you come back to a particular idea, the more you focus on it, the more you say a phrase or a prayer, those are the ideas and beliefs that become written into the neural connections of the brain.

Read the full transcript at https://bigthink.com/videos/is-the-huma ... d-for-god/
https://youtu.be/_Ca30Fp3yIo
The god-gene hypothesis has inundated the world. It was basically invented by the human geneticist Dean Hamer, who now claims he has in fact discovered a gene that he decided to call the "god gene." Does he have a case? What is wrong with his claims? Find out in this video!
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Dmartin, our brains try for 110 percent yet get maybe 10 percent, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth :)
Dmartin wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:18 pm Dmartin: Thanks for posting this anthonychipoletti. I found it interesting that Dr Newberg talked about the brain having the capability of being hardwired to religious and spiritual experiences. The question is how that ability got there is a complex philosophical and scientific question. It cannot be answered in the brain alone. The brain doesn't work alone it works together with the heart. Our thoughts whether emotions and/or understandings are spoken from our heart. The better question is how the ability of those experiences got in both the brain and heart. It's a creation question, God is the Creator He created every one. Science is not a creator. Dr Newberg seems to understand this and is trying to find a scientific fact God hardwired those experiences. If there is, he might can find it if he includes the heart.  
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anthonychipoletti wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:36 pm Dmartin, our brains try for 110 percent yet get maybe 10 percent, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth :)

Dmartin: Yes, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth to do in our minds and hearts :) Like I hinted at below having spiritual experience must include both our brain-mind and heart (both organs, that doctor has only been researching one-brain) to know and understand it.

Dmartin: You reminded me of something citing below that verse in many Bible translations. When I was on that theology discussion list there were several times biblical scholars told me what I was saying agreed with the Greek and Hebrew biblical texts. I don't know either language.
Dmartin wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:18 pm Dmartin: Thanks for posting this anthonychipoletti. I found it interesting that Dr Newberg talked about the brain having the capability of being hardwired to religious and spiritual experiences. The question is how that ability got there is a complex philosophical and scientific question. It cannot be answered in the brain alone. The brain doesn't work alone it works together with the heart. Our thoughts whether emotions and/or understandings are spoken from our heart. The better question is how the ability of those experiences got in both the brain and heart. It's a creation question, God is the Creator He created every one. Science is not a creator. Dr Newberg seems to understand this and is trying to find a scientific fact God hardwired those experiences. If there is, he might can find it if he includes the heart.  
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Dmartin wrote: Thu Oct 05, 2023 6:27 pm
anthonychipoletti wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:36 pm Dmartin, our brains try for 110 percent yet get maybe 10 percent, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth :)
Dmartin: Yes, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth to do in our minds and hearts :) Like I hinted at below having spiritual experience must include both our brain-mind and heart (both organs, that doctor has only been researching one-brain) to know and understand it.

Dmartin: You reminded me of something citing below that verse in many Bible translations. When I was on that theology discussion list there were several times biblical scholars told me what I was saying agreed with the Greek and Hebrew biblical texts. I don't know either language.

Dmartin, you reminded me of the relationship of the artist and the work of art !!

Our spirit has no language or words or sounds :) Truth can ONLY be experienced !!
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https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/docs/default- ... f28df052_2
Spirituality involves the recognition of a feeling or sense or belief that there is something greater than myself, something more to being human than sensory experience, and that the greater whole of which we are part is cosmic or divine in nature.
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anthonychipoletti wrote: Wed Oct 04, 2023 3:36 pm Dmartin, our brains try for 110 percent yet get maybe 10 percent, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth :)
Dmartin: Yes, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth to do in our minds and hearts :) Like I hinted at below having spiritual experience must include both our brain-mind and heart (both organs, that doctor has only been researching one-brain) to know and understand it.
Dmartin: You reminded me of something citing below that verse in many Bible translations. When I was on that theology discussion list there were several times biblical scholars told me what I was saying agreed with the Greek and Hebrew biblical texts. I don't know either language.
Dmartin, you reminded me of the relationship of the artist and the work of art !!

Dmartin: Sorry, I don't know what you mean.

Our spirit has no language or words or sounds :) Truth can ONLY be experienced !!

Dmartin: I had to think about this a minute. Yes, it is not our spirit, it is truth that has language, words, sounds, knowledge and understanding. Romans 12:1-2, "I beseech you therefore, brethren, that you (in our spirits) present your (flesh) bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God (in meaning with Jesus Christ is come in the flesh), which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind (changed to spiritual), that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God." Colossians 3:15-17, "And let the peace of God rule in your (spiritual) hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him."
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Dmartin, I will try to answer each part of your comments since we are expressing such intricate ideas and experiences ??

I DEEPLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR COMMENT BELOW !! WE CANNOT JUDGE WHAT DOCTOR NEWBERG IS RESEARCHING ??

Just because his research on the brain is public knowledge, we cannot assume from that knowledge that he is NOT doing research on the heart or ANY other aspect of his life or work ??

Dmartin wrote:
Dmartin: Yes, our spirit always has an infinite source of truth to do in our minds and hearts :) Like I hinted at below having spiritual experience must include both our brain-mind and heart (both organs, that doctor has only been researching one-brain) to know and understand it.
NOTE: I added this comment Nov 1, 2023, because I found the article just now:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-03450-3
Now, researchers have discovered a neural pathway, which involves a previously undiscovered group of sensory neurons that connect the heart to the brainstem. The study, published in Nature on 1 November1, shows that activating these neurons made mice became immobile almost immediately while displaying symptoms such as rapid pupil dilation and the classic eye-roll observed during human syncope.
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Dmartin, you reminded me of the relationship of the artist and the work of art !!

Dmartin: Sorry, I don't know what you mean.

Our spirit has no language or words or sounds :) Truth can ONLY be experienced !!
My opinion of what my spirit consists of is VERY SIMPLE: my spirit is an intangible awareness, NOTHING ELSE !!

My spirit is NOTHING other than a simple awareness of existence, NO ONE created my spirit, it existed forever !!

MANY OTHER DEFINITIONS OF SPIRIT MAY EXIST !! However, my free choice to define my own spirit is ONLY that.

My spirit is the artist which creates my human experience, which is the work of art, meaning ALL of my physicality.

My human experience is COMPLETE NONSENSE, it has no ACTUAL existence other than being what my spirit creates.

My spirit creates my physical experience as a work of art, NO ONE ELSE is responsible for my human experiences.

Truth, in my opinion, is the ACTUAL presence of God, NO ONE created God, NO ONE created any spiritual aspect.

Spirit is what I consider to have existed forever, it is ONLY an intangible awareness which NO ONE has created ??
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