Would you mind providing a couple of links on Father Amorth that particularly stood out to you? And helps support the idea that the being of light in ndes are not of God? I have looked a bit into him but so far it has mostly been about demonic possession.
It is not fair for me to only give you my perspective, without trying to understand yours. So I will be on this road to discovery as well and hope that we both can find it. : )
A couple of things that I have picked up from some of the articles, as of yet, are the quotes below:
"And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matthew 12:31-32, NIV)
I must admit, I have no clear idea what this means, but my conclusion is that the Bible condones forgiveness - how can the Bible condone forgiveness - even with such as Hitler, Stalin, etc.?
Perhaps, and I am taking Father Amorth's beliefs into account here, since they were allegedly possessed by the devil/demons, it was not their true human actions, and so were forgiven for their lost and confused state of mind. If a spiritual warfare is really going on here, then who is really doing the most grievious misdeeds in the world? Now I do believe people alone are capable of terrible atrocities, but if demonic possession is real, then that could attribute to some of the evil as well. The way to be truly saved is by coming to God/Jesus/Love and heal ourselves and others by loving them.If you believe that Howard Storm's testimony is true and genuine, as do I, then Howard met The Light, and was told, "Love one another. That's the plan. If you do that, you will change the world." (for the better.
And Jesus Himself says, to the Father, "Father, forgive them; they do not know what they are doing." - Luke 23:34
So in my eyes, if the person is truly repentant of their deeds to one another, asks for forgiveness from the heart, then yes, I can see God welcoming them with open arms. It is when they feel as if they don't need to ask for forgiveness, as if they did no harm when they committed their sins, is when they turn their back on love and their salvation. Because, again in my belief, God can not and will not let evil, darkness get into Heaven. So if a soul holds more evil in their heart than love, then that soul needs more development and will not gain entry until their work is done. We do not know what that entails spiritually
. We only know that we are in this physical realm so far. Perhaps these "troubled" souls are on a different plane to help them with their development.
And I have read some near death experiences that give credence to demonic possession, so I do believe that it's possible. And I do believe that some people either make up near death experiences to support their way of thinking, or they might be being misled. I am not doubting that some ndes might not be from God, but I understand why so many feel that enveloping and unconditional love. Satan and his demons, to my understanding, are anything but loving.
Another article that I think is truly
disturbing, comes from Father Amorth himself... if, of course, we are to take news articles at face value... which can be a harmful thing to do if we don't do our own homework...:
Amorth on the vatican
To be honest, I would be more leary of things going on in the vatican (I have read some things about that, and let's just say it raises some red flags...) than near death experiences...
After all, the Bible does say: "In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on everyone. Your sons and your daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, and your old men will dream dreams." - Acts 2:17
We don't know what "last days" mean technically, but this verse is, at least to me, incredibly reminiscent of ndes.
Following St. Therese of Lisieux's example, he knows we will be judged on love. But, because of the Fall, "the deeper reason that prevents communion with God is, again and again, the fear of God; fear that keeps us from feeling loved as a child." This is the angel of darkness's deadly lie, that "God does not love you." This is "the worst of evils" and source of all others: "Not having known the Father." Without the Father's Love, "the law is just a heavy burden."
Father Amorth said to follow Christ's example and abandon yourself completely to the Father, trusting in Him to protect you and keep you safe from Satan. He warns that this does not happen without active participation on our part, however, and it requires constantly watching ourselves daily in order to "transform our state of servant into the rewarding identity of a son."
The famed exorcist also warned against half-heartedness, or lukewarmness, which he says is the most formidable diabolical trap. The remedies, he says, have been known for 2,000 years: "humility, faith, prayer (the Rosary), frequenting the sacraments (Mass, the sacrament of reconciliation), living a Christian life in conformity with the Gospel, doing works of charity and forgiving our enemies."
To be honest, I'm finding it hard to see where, in at least the above mentioned articles that I did look into, it paints nde's in a negative light. As a matter of fact, they seem to condone
nde's messages: "Forgive our enemies." "Love the sinner, hate the sin." "God is Love."
And again, I will agree that if the nde presents an indication that "we can do all the sinning we want and still be forgiven, so knock yourself out", this would be really difficult to swallow. But MOST nde's are not giving that message. They are saying, "Love one another. Treat each other with kindness. You are loved." Some will say, "God loves you no matter what." And I believe this too! That's what they want us to know and remember. If we learn, beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are loved, completely and wholly, we would not want to disappoint our Father and would not want to fall into sin in the first place. That's what I think nde's are trying to teach us. Not that we can sin whenever and hurt whoever we want. But that we are born out of love, and it is our nature to return that. I think it was our decision, at our soul/spirit level, that wanted to experience that separation In the first place. And God is so benevolent to grant us that, along with free will, and wants nothing more to be reunited with us. Stripped of everything unholy, of course.
But these are just theories that I have been reaching from my experiences and studying up on these subjects. Not anything that I can say with flat out certainty.
DennisMe wrote: Read mark 3 from vs 20. What this passage means is that it is an unforgiveable sin to attribute genuine works of the Holy spirit to the devil. Here Jesus is accusing the Pharisees of this crime.
I think this will benefit me as well. : ) Thank you DennisMe. I have been looking into reading the Bible, mostly because I have this urge to learn about Jesus more, and things in my life seem to be synchronically leading me to Him... as strange as that sounds.