Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

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Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by al1zoin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:59 am

Hi everyone,

First of all, I would like to specify two things: first, I am a non-Anglophone, so I apologize in advance if some of my sentences are not well formulated! Then, I am not myself a NDE experiencer, even though I know someone very close to me, a family member, who has had an NDE a long time ago. Still, I am asking my question here because I am truly seeking for help regarding this particular concern.

I have read a lot of NDE testimonies. I have my own feeling that we, humans, are here for a good reason, the latter being learning from life in order to conquer all our evil inclinations, all our faults and seek for love. Lots of testimonies from experiencers, if not all, point at the fact that the only thing that really matters in life is unconditional love towards the living beings.

I also believe that, even though I haven't experienced an NDE myself. However, one question still haunt me, no matter how hard I try not to focus on it:

If all that really matters in life in this physical world we are stuck in is love for the livings, then why are we surrounded by physical natural beauties, stimulus, matters objects and so on that I, as a simple human, like to love? For example, I like the color brown. I also like, when fall comes around, to pick up a beautiful leaf that would have fallen from a tree and to wonder at the magnificent details that compose the said leaf! I like to sing, I like to draw and enjoy the physical aspects of this world in so many ways...

Of course, there is nothing I love more than my family, my friends. I also put the livings before any other concern in life. The plants, animals and all. Or, at least, I hope I try hard enough to do so.

But, then, I can't put this out of my head: what could be really wrong in loving things that are related to the physical world only? Material, etc. Isn't loving life, including the material aspects, also a manifestation of love in itself? If loving the physical world is a bad thing, than why is it existing in the first place? Also, am I to be punished because I have such inclinations? Loving physical things?

Thanks a lot to whoever is going to take the time to reply to this message: it will, I hope, help relieving some worries.

[Originally posted by al1zoin upon joining the old forum on 25 Aug 2017, 02:45]



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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by dreamer » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:03 am

al1zoin wrote:But, then, I can't put this out of my head: what could be really wrong in loving things that are related to the physical world only? Material, etc. Isn't loving life, including the material aspects, also a manifestation of love in itself? If loving the physical world is a bad thing, than why is it existing in the first place? Also, am I to be punished because I have such inclinations? Loving physical things?
I have not had an NDE so I am anxious for NDEers to answer. However, I have had psychic, medium, remote viewing, OBE, past life, dream, etc. experience and will answer from 'my viewpoint'.

'God-like love' is important to develop. However, my understanding of why we are here and why we 'reincarnate', is to gain 'experiences' and 'learn'. Yes, the good, bad and ugly are all something we could not 'experience' in our original/eternal state or really understand. The experiences we planned to have in this incarnation were planned before we took on the 'physical bodies' we are currently in.

There is nothing bad in loving things related to the physical world. In my 'world view' there is no way you will be punished for 'loving' physical things. However, 'God-like love' includes much more than loving 'only' physical things.

[Originally posted by Dreamer on 25 Aug 2017, 06:24]

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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by al1zoin » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:05 am

Thank you so much for this quick answer Dreamer. You cannot imagine how much this is appreciated.

I know that there is so much I can still do in order to become a better person towards my fellow beings, so much I still can learn. I am simply globally anxious in life and, at least knowing that I can celebrate and enjoy life as most people do is kind of a big relief. Deep inside me, I know that 'God-like love' is what we all should reach for.

I once read a testimonial where it was said that: "everything is possible". That single though has done a lot by itself to keep me on tracks. As long as Love is and will always be, I am fine :).

Can't wait for other comments!!

[Originally posted by Dreamer on 25 Aug 2017, 20:38]

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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by ano1 » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:10 am

Al...
I believe we can only love other living persons, animals, etc. Because love, to me, has to be capable of being reciprocated. It is a give and take thing. We cannot love objects. They can't love us back.
We certainly can enjoy our earthly things, that is what they are here for, we should enjoy them.
When I left this earthly world for my 12-15 minutes I will tell you that none of the things of this world mattered even a little. I no longer cared about anything here.
Just, my two cents.
ano

[Originally posted by ano1 on 26 Aug 2017, 02:39]

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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by Davesjourney » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:17 am

al1zoin brilliant question.

Ive been thinking about this a lot recently and can tell you from my experience the physical experience is exactly why we are here. No where else in our journey will we ever experience this again. Earth is real it is the only place that inhabits physical beings that can sense colour, smell, taste etc .... ENJOY its a gift !

[Originally posted by Davesjourney on 22 Sep 2017, 06:16]

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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by Giulia » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:18 am

Hi, al1zoin, and welcome :P Thanks for bringing up this very interesting question.

First of all, I highly respect ano's perspective, as she has experienced death and genuine detachment from the physical plane.

My understanding comes from many out-of-body experiences, from mystical, mediumistic and transpersonal experiences, but I have never experienced physical death. From this perspective, I have always been challenged by family members who insisted on me throwing things away. So I have been considering this topic for many years now. My understanding is that the things I am mostly attached to have a spiritual meaning that has an essential/life-saving value on this plane and as long as I will be on this plane. Such "things" include train tickets, ultrasound scans, Christmas cards, photographs, broken coffee cups, children's drawings and the like.

I know this attachment is temporary, yet I value these things tremendously and can get extremely upset if I am told I should through them away or if they get accidentally thrown away. I also feel this home and a few other homes I have lived in (such as my parents' and my grandparents') have a spiritual essence that is eternal, as it conveys a sense of love, bliss and belonging that no other house can convey.

So I do not feel at all guilty about it and am sure that the reason I am so attached to them is that they are a physical replica/manifestation of core and undying "things" (for lack of a better word) that one day I will once again be fully aware of and connected to.

[Originally posted by Giulia on 24 Sep 2017, 10:20]
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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by Lexy » Sun Feb 04, 2018 11:43 am

Hello :))


But, then, I can't put this out of my head: what could be really wrong in loving things that are related to the physical world only?

Ok, first sorry for my rugged english, but I will try to explain something with an example:

You like a deluxe car. This car is created by many souls -in a physical body, but souls nevertheless. If you love this car, you love the ideas, production, every detail of a physical thing which had been created from other people (souls) and thereby you beam a lot of love in others and god’s wonderful creation game.

Only you (car) – only for you (creation). Love is love, if true in mind.

Greetings :))
Lexy

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Re: Loving things of the physical world: is that a fault?

Post by DennisMe » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:31 am

To me the difference is between Love and Craving.
Love as in perceiving the beauty of a phenomenal sunrise.
Craving as in needing to get a fix, like a drug addict.

Love is Additive, it adds to our existence. Leaving us with more love than we had before, feeling envigorated, more alive, more appreciative. It's a gift.

Craving is addICTive, it takes something away from us then partially restores it when the craving is met. But it never restores fully and always leaves you with less than you had. Its more like theft, with the thief paying you back a little at a time while demanding a bigger loan each time.

The hard part is that small cravings are hard to identify and can be confused with love.
I love coffee, I really do. But when I get too much it leads to cravings which leave me with awful migraine attacks.

Be that as it may, judging someone (even yourself) for these things is never a good thing. I'm sure that navigating these troubled waters is just a part of the human experience.

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