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No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:35 am

Some people report an experience post-resuscitation while most don't. My guess is that everyone had an experience but only some remember it.

I am seeing what looks like a major change in my son who came out of a coma a week ago. He claims no memory since two days before the severe depression episode which drove him to an apparent (evidence-based) suicide attempt. He says he does not feel different and claims he does not have depression, anxiety disorder, or suicidal thoughts. This claim is despite spending $$$$$ over the past two years for psych treatment and one hospitalization for suicide threat.

Before the coma, he was a clinically depressed, anxiety disordered, black market opioid addict (Xanax), stating that he had no desire to live any longer with Type 1 Diabetes because it kept him from his only career choice: the military. He reached coma stage with diabetic hyperglycemia due to spending a day trying to kill himself with the variety of unsuccessful non-opioid depression meds he was stocking up, puking up most of that, texting to borrow a gun, then finally purchasing an intentional overdose of heroine. He could have chosen to take himself out with an overdose of insulin but perhaps some emotional thing against insulin stopped him from choosing that as his weapon. The paramedics said that intentional heroine overdose is a popular way to go.

The person we've been seeing for a week is VERY PLEASANT (major change) and has taken steps to be admitted to nursing school. Nursing school has never been anywhere near his radar. I used to worry about him because he never seemed to have much compassion for other people even when very young.

More of the story that day:

1) His girlfriend does not leave her apartment without being fully put together: hair, professional or cute clothing, and makeup. She had texted him but he didn't answer. She said this did not worry her at all because it has happened many times before. She had showered late in the day and was about to put on her make-up when she found herself grabbing her keys, getting in the car, and driving to his house. She said she was still not worried at this time but seemed to be on automatic pilot. She is the one who called 911 when she discovered him unconscious and barely breathing.

2) Paramedics said that if they had been even 5 minutes later, he would likely have been dead by the time they arrived. There is a drug called Narcan they use to overturn heroine overdose. It acts very quickly, almost like flipping a switch.

3) Despite the save from the heroine overdose, hyperglycemia had him comatose by the time he arrived at the ER. In addition to not taking insulin for a day or two, we wonder if the heroine was diluted with dextrose, powdered sugar, or some other sugar.

4) Hospital personnel told him they were astonished when he woke up from the coma. They said they were going through the motions and waiting for him to die because they had never seen survival of hyperglycemic coma with a blood glucose level as high as his. (He was in protective custody due to the suicide attempt so we had no information and thus didn't suffer through almost 48 hours of waiting for him to die.) According to him, medical personnel were also surprised that he woke up instantly seeming very healthy, asking what happened, and asking for food.

5) My sister had a realistic dream while he was in the coma. She was in her house with her mother-in-law who passed a few years ago. Her mother in-law was there to tell her to not worry as things were fine and as they should be. She woke up due to a noise in the house, then told herself she wanted to go right back into that comforting dream. Attempting to return to a dream has never worked for her or for me, but it worked for her this time. She was right back with her mother-in-law. She said the dream was realistic rather than dream-like.

I somewhat believe in reincarnation but that we don't really understand it because we live on a time-line which does not exist on "the other side". Reincarnation makes sense to me as a working model of physical life. Speaking of reincarnation in human-terms of my ability to think, I take this to the next step in believing my son chose diabetes so that he could not, once again, choose the military. When he was 4, he built what he called a gunboat out of metal parts and a block of wood. When he was 6, his shoe box project was a weapons museum. Nothing at home influenced this as we are Buddhist-like, Christian-raised, and only let him watch Sesame Street and Barney on TV.

A point for reincarnation: When he was at the baby talking gibberish stage, I frequently asked him where he came from and where he was before he was with me. He once popped out with a sentence, a metaphor, and a circling hand gesture - all things this baby didn't yet know from my perspective. He made a circling hand gesture and said, "It's like a circle". Then he went back into baby mode and nothing more happened.

***If - reincarnation is a valid thing, his soul chose a life with a restriction from the military, and he had a coma experience he does not recall.
***Then - his outlook of "life is a bummer because I can't get into the military" leading to drug addiction then ultimately leading to a suicide attempt might create a situation where he was not allowed to remember any of his coma experience, yet it could still change him. If I were in charge of who can and cannot remember, I would not allow him to remember an experience because that could make life here even more difficult considering his negative outlook based on the restrictions diabetes imposes on him. (Aside: "Not allowed" vs. "free will": In my physical life model, the soul is much larger than the part here in the physical. The soul itself can restrict the part. This works for me.)

I do not trust that Son 2.0 will not revert to Son 1.0. Any parent or significant other of a drug addict might get this fear-based reaction, but perhaps it is prudent to not trust such a thing after only one week. If he does indeed become a nurse and hold a job for a long time, I might gain trust in my belief that something happened to him while he was in that coma. I'm throwing this out there with a question: Are there stories of permanent positive change in survivors with no post-death/post-coma memory of an experience? I have not found anything via Google.



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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Giulia » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:09 am

Dear Terry, welcome Image

I have never had a near-death experience, but it sounds as though your son had a really close brush this time. The metaphor I can come up with is that we all sleep and dream, and, based on my own experience, dreaming is not only a way of processing daily events but can involve transpersonal experiences, meeting with our higher/greater selves, seeing things from beyond the linear-time sequence and gaining mystical insights. We do not necessarily remember dreams but this does not mean we do not reap the benefits.

One case of beneficial dreaming even without remembering dreams I usually refer to is the case of bereaved people (including those who do not believe that life continues after death) who, after some time from losing a loved one, start feeling better and less anxious about them. Some people think this is due to the fact that 'time heals'. However, my understanding is that time heals because we live in time, in this physical dimension, and it takes time, sleep and dreaming to gain the understanding that our loved ones are safe and alive, even if this only happens at a subconscious level.

Another point I'd like to make is that not all near-death experiencers remember an NDE the moment they come fully back to physical life. Sometimes it takes years for part of that memory to reach a conscious level. Also, many NDERrs do not disclose their memories until they feel comfortable about it.

What you are reporting sounds like a very positive turn in events and all I can recommend is that you surround your son with love and confidence in his new self. I am quite sure you will be very cautious and make sure he is safe and looked after, but without reminding him of old self-destructive belief-patterns.

I look forward to anyone else's thoughts on this.
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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:43 am

Love your response! It makes a great deal of sense.

I also hope to see more discussion on this thread.

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Post by DennisMe » Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:10 am

There are a lot of experiencers who only remembered their experience years to decades after. There are also a lot of accounts where the experiencer regains progressively more memories after certain life events have passed.
Based on the above its 100% clear to me that there have to be many cases of 'crypto-NDE' where the experiencer is unaware of their experience. Unfortunately its impossible to research this, so there are no real statistics on the numbers.
Some types of medicine can also repress the formation of conscious memories in the brain. Perhaps he was given one of these?
Based on the profound changes you report I would agree, the chances are he experienced an NDE, was cured by a miracle and sent back changed profoundly. In fact the one thing that ties all NDEs and many STEs together is the profound changes they cause to the experiencer. Its hard to prove without conscious memories, but I'm sure this is how it works for a lot of people.

Blocking his own military career by diabetes rings a bell with me. As a child I had memories of watching a ship sinking from the water. I felt great love towards that ship, it was heart-wrenching, and for decades I wished to be at sea. I'd stand on the shore and look out to the horizon with tears in my eyes. Problem is I get seasick easily. I can sail around puddles OK, but when I go off-shore any distance it starts immediately... Wouldn't surprise me if I had arranged this myself to prevent me from re-living some previous life.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:51 pm

There is no "like button", so: LIKE! Also, crypto-NDE is a great vocabulary word.

Maybe you did indeed plan seasickness.

On the side story of planning your life: Perhaps part of his story and mine put us together. There have been times when I've had two viewpoints at the same time as if I was split into the regular thinking me and a quiet observer in the background who has no anxiety and seems to know more than "I" do. My regular self never planned to get pregnant and didn't want the stress of parenting. The backgrounder made a decision seconds before fertilization: "It is time." Then the backgrounder said "It is done." The regular me didn't think about it again until I discovered the pregnancy. The regular me sure got a whole lot of parenting stress eh! :lol:

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by blue102 » Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:34 am

This is fascinating, and I'm sorry that I don't have more to offer, but I agree with your thoughts. I love the idea that he chose diabetes to prevent him from getting in the military again. I love this, because I always wanted to be a doctor from a young age. A psychiatrist, specifically. Despite being "highly gifted" with an IQ in the 150s, I struggled in school and every circumstance in the world worked against me. Now life seems to be pushing me in a different direction, one that I never envisioned myself in. "If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans," as they say.

My dad was going through a horribly difficult time, emotionally, when I was a teenager. Things were headed in a terrible direction, until one day, at work, he passed out cold. He did not wake up for many hours. Nobody could really tell what happened, but I always thought that his soul must have just fled for a while because he couldn't take it anymore. Things started sorting themselves out in his life after that. It was quite odd really.

In my personal experience I have spotty recollections of talking to a guide or someone while I sleep, when I'm going through a rough time in my life. I can never remember what all was said. So, I certainly believe that most, if not all people, "check in" with their guides upon leaving their bodies, and some remember and some don't. I have another family member who died briefly from a heart attack, and said that he experienced "nothing" as well...

I'm glad that your son survived and experienced a positive change in his life as a result of the episode.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Fri Mar 16, 2018 1:13 pm

It would be cool if we could access our Life Plan, assuming there is one of course, and then design our goals and tasks around that. I'm glad you are following the “push” and hope you are not disappointed that it might not be the exact path you would have chosen with your conscious self. Cool story on your dad.

I was born a Biologist at heart, did odd things that most children don’t (observing critters and plants, studying encyclopedias, deciding at the age of 8 that I was going to become a Botanist). I then chose Biology as my formal path of study and had special interests in several areas. The type of work in Biology I would have loved and could do well in would have given me a joyful work life with financial struggles at home. Instead, I followed a path that landed me in work suited to my personality but not a super-bringer-of-joy to my spirit. The path seemed to lead me in my career, so where did the joy go? Did I really follow what seemed to be a guided path, or did I consciously go for more money/less joy because I am too fearful of not having a good income? Was the path actually real guidance because I would need a good income due to the son I would have someday?
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In my personal experience, I have spotty recollections of talking to a guide or someone while I sleep, when I'm going through a rough time in my life. I can never remember what all was said. So, I certainly believe that most, if not all people, "check in" with their guides upon leaving their bodies, and some remember and some don't. I have another family member who died briefly from a heart attack, and said that he experienced "nothing" as well...
This is way cool. I once did “dream work” with a focus on remembering my dreams. It was actually taxing to go through the daylight hours doing all the tricks so I gave it up, but the overall effect was not expected: a great reduction in stress. The only recall I have now is a dream with many people who looked at me without speaking but with a knowing look in their eyes indicating that they knew something I didn’t.

This discussion reminds me of “The Flowers for Algernon” effect:

I avoided super deep study in the more difficult fields of Biology until I had to prepare for my written and oral comps. As I learned more and more and got deeper and deeper into my comp studies, I "saw" how the world is connected. As I got deeper into Molecular Biology, I had to back out because I felt physically overwhelmed by what looked like truths I was not prepared to see. My studies in molecular biology and embryology made me think that the physical world I see must have a lot of falseness in it. I never did really see the truth of photosynthesis but I think I would have to "get" quantum physics to understand that - - -just a guess on my part. In the hours before my comps started, students before me brought flowers (since they knew I wouldn't eat pizza) and said:
[*]"You were a normal person before, but you are a genius at this moment aren't you?" I am.
[*]"You can answer any question about biological life function even if you didn't specifically study that area, because you can see the whole picture of how everything is just one thing, can't you?” I almost can, but I don't really get photosynthesis.
[*]"Here is a written answer for photosynthesis. Everybody memorizes this three-paragraph blurb just before the exam in case a professor asks you to explain. Don't worry that the professors will push you on any answer you give for photosynthesis. We figure they don't get it either." Good to know. Thanks.
[*]"Four days from now you will be back to your normal self. You will remember feeling as if you were a genius. You will remember that you thought you knew almost everything that could be known about how biological life functions. You will remember that you thought everything was tied together, and that a movement of a butterfly wing will actually effect an ocean current, which will effect an air current, which will come right back to the butterfly.” Sorry but you must be wrong. I am not giving this state of mind up. It is way too awesome. I will keep it.

I passed my comps with flying colors, stumbled on nothing, and answered some things in ways the Profs in the room had not considered. Every student before me described a similar experience once we went out to celebrate. Four days later, I was a regular old person again with no knowledge of where she-who-took-that-exam had gone. The students before me were spot on.

Does this "Flowers for Algernon" effect happen post-NDE and post-Dream Training? If so, is the effect less when we don’t recall the training, or is it no different than being fluent in a language with no recall of learning to speak it?

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

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Terry wrote:
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It would be cool if we could access our Life Plan, assuming there is one of course, and then design our goals and tasks around that.
I certainly agree with that. I believe in 'life plans'. I have heard just try to be open and do what makes you feel a sense of 'accomplishment' and what you 'enjoy doing'. I believe 'few' do not end up in the planned occupation and with your planned spouse and family. As far as planned experiences that would be a mixed bag. Hopefully, what we don't experience in one area we can experience in another of high value to us ------- I believe there are options based on what decisions we make in life. I feel guided and close to my spirit guide but I have tried to get specifics on 'what' I should do in regards to 'life plan' and I have not had much success in getting specifics. I get the 'feeling' it is up to me to do what I 'want to do/feel like doing/experiencing' and my spirit guide is there to help me and guide me but not 'direct' me without me showing some initiative.

I certainly believe I ended up in my planned 'occupation' and made some 'significant?' contributions. It was not the occupation I at first planned, it sort of just came up and I felt 'good' about it. I was 'helped' a lot in the schooling/testing and actual work, throughout my life. Many times I recognized the help but just didn't get very interested in really studying about the 'help' and 'optimizing' it as I do now. That studying has provided me a 'retirement part time occupation' (non pay) in helping others, learning many things, and sharing my experiences. My 'retirement' years have been as long as my working years so never give up in 'accomplishing' what you really 'feel good' about doing.

As far as using 'mental techniques' I totally agree with using them and do use a 'dream' effort that takes very little time, etc. and has worked quite well for me in getting questions answered. I don't try to revert to lessor state though. I have used a number of 'similar things' and I believe these things work as long as you 'remember' to do them and do them routinely. I use at least one form of this every day. Some times I use many in one day depending on what I am doing and if I am not feeling ('great) the way I should always feel. Like I said, once I started studying these type of things to do mentally, etc. I have tried to 'optimize' their use in my life. My life has improved but when I contemplate I see I could use this type of stuff even more to my advantage.

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Post by Martina » Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:21 pm

Just want to say, what a fascinating thread! Thank you for starting it, Terry, and sharing your son's story.
It certainly sounds to me that some kind of teaching/guiding or re-evaluating/taking stock and a subsequent re-adjustment took place while he was in the coma. I think what Giulia said above about dreams does apply - it's not necessary to remember everything for profound changes to occur. I love your thoughts about the diabetes - that he chose it to prevent himself working in the military. It inspires me to look at illness/inflictions in my and my loved ones life from a different angle. Very interesting!

Regarding your son, I have one more thought, although it's a bit 'out there' and I'm not even sure if these things really happen. Assuming they do, it is possible that a so called "Walk in" occurred. This is the event of a soul/spirit taken on the body (incarnating) that is being abandoned (often by suicide) by its previous soul/spirit. This can only happen if both spirits agree to it, but the swap is usually not remembered. Family and friends often report a noticeable and remarkable change in the person regarding outlook on life, interests, plans and goals, personality, preferences, etc. Your son's change in attitude and 180-degree turn in career choice made me think of it as a possibility. Something to ponder ...

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Post by Terry » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:50 am

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I certainly agree with that. I believe in 'life plans'. I have heard just try to be open and do what makes you feel a sense of 'accomplishment' and what you 'enjoy doing'. I believe 'few' do not end up in the planned occupation and with your planned spouse and family. As far as planned experiences that would be a mixed bag. Hopefully, what we don't experience in one area we can experience in another of high value to us ------- I believe there are options based on what decisions we make in life. I feel guided and close to my spirit guide but I have tried to get specifics on 'what' I should do in regards to 'life plan' and I have not had much success in getting specifics. I get the 'feeling' it is up to me to do what I 'want to do/feel like doing/experiencing' and my spirit guide is there to help me and guide me but not 'direct' me without me showing some initiative.

I certainly believe I ended up in my planned 'occupation' and made some 'significant?' contributions. It was not the occupation I at first planned, it sort of just came up and I felt 'good' about it. I was 'helped' a lot in the schooling/testing and actual work, throughout my life. Many times I recognized the help but just didn't get very interested in really studying about the 'help' and 'optimizing' it as I do now. That studying has provided me a 'retirement part time occupation' (non pay) in helping others, learning many things, and sharing my experiences. My 'retirement' years have been as long as my working years so never give up in 'accomplishing' what you really 'feel good' about doing.

As far as using 'mental techniques' I totally agree with using them and do use a 'dream' effort that takes very little time, etc. and has worked quite well for me in getting questions answered. I don't try to revert to lessor state though. I have used a number of 'similar things' and I believe these things work as long as you 'remember' to do them and do them routinely. I use at least one form of this every day. Some times I use many in one day depending on what I am doing and if I am not feeling ('great) the way I should always feel. Like I said, once I started studying these type of things to do mentally, etc. I have tried to 'optimize' their use in my life. My life has improved but when I contemplate I see I could use this type of stuff even more to my advantage.
This, to me, is very spot on.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:03 am

Martina wrote:
Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:21 pm
It inspires me to look at illness/inflictions in my and my loved ones life from a different angle. Very interesting!
Cool!

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Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:21 pm
Regarding your son, I have one more thought, although it's a bit 'out there' and I'm not even sure if these things really happen. Assuming they do, it is possible that a so called "Walk in" occurred. This is the event of a soul/spirit taken on the body (incarnating) that is being abandoned (often by suicide) by its previous soul/spirit. This can only happen if both spirits agree to it, but the swap is usually not remembered. Family and friends often report a noticeable and remarkable change in the person regarding outlook on life, interests, plans and goals, personality, preferences, etc. Your son's change in attitude and 180-degree turn in career choice made me think of it as a possibility. Something to ponder ...
After all the weirdness that has happened in my life (will post here someday; some of it sounds unbelievable) I don't discount this. Today he is still the 2.0 version except he changed the career goal which makes the change a little less impressive. I think he is in a hurry to get well-employed since I can only pay Cobra on him for three years. He just wants something he can do well so that he can get married and start a family.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

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Some people report an experience post-resuscitation while most don't. My guess is that everyone had an experience but only some remember it.
Hi, Terry. I am replying to your post again because yesterday, as I was tidying up my office, I went through a pile of paper and documents that had been there for over a year, and found a report I had typed for OBERF on 24 January 2017: I had never got to send the questionnaire because of some technical problem. I had been able to fill it in and print it before losing the Internet connection. I had placed the report at the top of the pile and was planning to fill in the questionnaire again when possible: however, 4 months later I had to relocate part of my office furniture to a different area of the room and lost track of my report.

When it turned out yesterday and I read through the account I simply could not believe my eyes. My memory had almost completely deleted the experience. Even though it was not a near-death experience, it definitely was very impressive. My guess is that, had I had the experience constantly in my mind, I would not have had the opportunity to make certain daily choices. Anyway, I am hugely grateful to have found it again.

I hope this helps in connection with your query.
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'Some people report an experience post-resuscitation while most don't. My guess is that everyone had an experience but only some remember it.'

I haven't had an NDE but this seems to relate a lot with my 'dreams'! Everyone has dreams every night!

In my case, if I don't write the dream down just after I wake up I can't seem to remember it/them ----- some nights I record up to 3 dreams. However, if I write it down and can't remember it I refer to my cryptic notes then remember it 'clearly' and even remember more than what I wrote down as key things are automatically replayed in my mind.

My dreams are important to me. I believe I dream quite a few dreams at night some important and some just clearing my brain. Most of the times I suspect if I can remember it ----- it may be important. Sometimes this is hard to discern which is which. If I remember it I write it down then meditate before trying to interpret it and amazingly it has something of value related to my question or life. Some nights I will write up questions to be answered in my dreams other nights I will just see if any specific dream comes to me. The 'dreams' I can remember on awakening (sometimes early in the morning) seem to be significant to me in either answering my specific questions or giving me some insight/advice.

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Post by Terry » Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:39 am

Update: Version 2.0 of my son continues. He didn't go into nursing as per the original plan, but he is training in Pesticide Control and loves it. Note: Version 1.0 would never have loved this type of work or any other type of work other than military. Perhaps he is happy to guard property against invading roaches as a military metaphor. He is also interested in going back to school one day to finish his degree.

Last night I asked him if he almost felt like a different person pre-coma/post-coma. His answer: Yes. I kinda do.

He brought up that he now has some memories of his coma time. He heard the medical staff talking about his blood sugar being 1600 mg/dl and discussing if they could bring that down before it destroyed his brain. I told him it is normal for unconscious people to hear things. Then he said he kept wondering why they were working in the dark as he could see the machinery, the lights on the machinery, and the faces of the staff but nothing was in bright light. When he woke from the coma, he recognized the nurse who had tended to him the most during the coma. I asked if he had seen the faces from a bird's eye view but he said he saw them from an in-the-bed view that was weird a few times as it seemed he was way down on the floor looking up through the bed.

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Post by Giulia » Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:40 am

That's encouraging, Terry.

I have heard of people having such experiences and viewing things from all sorts of positions. A friend of mine experienced a dentist appointment involving general anaesthesia as if she were simply lying in the chair fully conscious but unable to speak. Also, in some of my out-of-body experiences, the physical world appears in the dark.

I am also glad to hear your son is thinking of going back to school. Again this sounds a reassuring and proactive approach.
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Post by Martina » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:43 pm

Hi Terry, like Giulia I remember some of my OBEs to be dark.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Tue Aug 07, 2018 8:55 pm

I'm glad to hear about the darkness you two have seen. I am needing even more confidence in my son staying his 2.0 version due to serious circumstances in his life that could drive him back to old ways. His father has been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer and my son now has Power of Attorney at the ripe old age of 26.

As for me and my reaction to the diagnosis outside of effects on my son, when I let myself step out of the current moment, I feel very sad that the personality I have known and loved for over 30 years will no longer exist here (yes loved; divorced for other reasons). Despite all I believe and even think I know, I can still find pain of human loss if I leave the moment and play the timeline game. This seems irrational of me as I accept my experiences and the experience of many other people as "proof" (not the scientific method way) that we and out loved ones do not cease to exist at death. It seems I should celebrate; not cry.

Do people who have had very deep NDEs suffer the pain of loss?

(About the brain cancer: He was pretty much normal and just seemed a little quiet a month ago. He deteriorated rapidly the last two weeks and can no longer take care of his personal needs, barely speaks, and does odd agitated looking behaviors, some of which are dangerous. He is permanently in nursing care now. This brain cancer (glioblastoma) is a speed demon.)

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Giulia » Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:35 am

Dear Terry,

This is off topic, but I really wish to express all my sympathy for your husband’s conditions. I can’t imagine how it can feel to see a person one loves decline in this way.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by ano1 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 9:19 pm

Wow. Terry, you certainly have a lot on your plate.
I wish for you to be able to feel God's closeness though all these difficulties.

Your quote: "Do people who have had very deep NDEs suffer the pain of loss?"

My answer is, yes.
I always know in my heart that the loved one lost is in an amazingly loving, wonderful place...free and welcomed.
Yet, with that said... I presently need to live and love in this place and grief hurts...a lot. Someone told me that grief is the price of love...Love was told to me during my experience, to be what it is 'all about'. We are human here, that is what we are supposed to be...human and feeling. Grief is evidence of love.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Terry » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:32 pm

Thanks much for answering my question (not the answer I wanted LOL!)

Still behind on reading all the replies on this thread as I am dealing a lot with the family situation and getting behind at work. I will be able to put some time in here later but don't know when.

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Vicky » Sun Aug 26, 2018 12:33 am

Hi everyone, this is my first post here. Forgive me for just jumping in but I wanted to reply to Terry about her son seeing and hearing what was happening during his coma. Giulia referred to my experience in the dentist's chair. My experience too was a little dim, not the normal lighting and I've had many OBEs of that nature too. I just wanted to chime in with my theory that it has to do with what level of awareness one's at during the experience. Of course the higher the awareness the more bright it is as well as other differences. That's just how my own experience has gone.

About the experience in the dentist's chair...it was 30 years ago. I was having my wisdom teeth pulled out. I was under anesthesia of course and was asleep but even so, I was awake and aware. I could see and hear everything. I tried to tell them but it was as if no one listened to me. At one point I stopped breathing! They had to put me on oxygen, and I tried to tell them I was fine but again no one heard me. I saw them bring my mom in to tell her what was happening, and when she saw me she fainted and they had to carry her out. I thought it was funny, because like I said, I was fine! When the surgery was finished and they woke me up, I told them everything I had heard and seen and the dentist said he didn't know how I could know all of that because my eyes were closed and I was sleeping the whole time.

Thanks for inviting me here Giulia! I look forward to reading everyone's experiences here.

Vicky

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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Giulia » Sun Aug 26, 2018 6:40 am

Welcome, Vicky! Thanks for taking the time to share your experience! It is a pleasure to have you here. :)
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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by ZenTzu » Mon Aug 27, 2018 8:59 pm

Welcome Vicky! :)
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Re: No NDE, or Unremembered NDE?

Post by Iammyself » Wed Aug 29, 2018 1:24 am

Hello,

It sounds like your son was in alot of pain before his experience, it does sound to me as though he may have come in contact with some form of experience that is not yet remembered. I think that may be related to you posting here, as far as I am aware everything has its reasons and in the case of your son's sudden change it may be that it happened that way both for him and for you if that makes sense.

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