anthonychipoletti wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 12:18 pm
Dmartin and Giulia, I really appreciate Bart Ehrman's work because I see many people who are obsessed with whether the Bible is God's Word ?? This is also why I love Alan Watts' work !! Alan Watts said THERE IS NOTHING THAT IS NOT GOD
Dmartin: Do you mean many people who don't follow a religion are obsessed with whether the Bible is God's Word? Are you pointing out that Bart Ehrman and Alan Watts know and understand the Bible is God's Word?
Alan Watts also said words are NEVER the ACTUALITY !! ACTUALITY has no words, no ideas, no books.
Dmartin: In spiritual actuality there are no physical mouths to speak words, ideas, nor physical hands to write them down in books. Actuality exists otherwise in spiritual actuality where there is our own spiritual body that has our mind, heart, and soul, we are able to use them to think and say our thoughts in our spirit we are even able to move in it as you say below in the waveform (I take it you mean it is spiritual).
ACTUALITY is what actually exists. In my opinion, the waveform actually exists, it is everywhere, all the time, and never pauses nor repeats anything EVER. The waveform is the LIGHT, the LOVE and the way we actually have existed forever. The waveform is what I believe is being experienced in an NDE, ADC, STE or any REAL experience.
Dmartin: So, you mean actuality and the waveform spiritually each exist, right? If so, I'm understanding what you are saying. Actuality and the waveform aren't just for us. God, Jesus, and the Spirit, use it to come to us in all of our experiences with Him/either of Them. This one experience I had comes to mind here, the Spirit carried me into the Kingdom of Heaven where I was born again of Him and of (living) water (I was breathing in it).
https://nderf.me/viewtopic.php?t=241 FLOW and the infinite waveform
“Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field. I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
Ideas, language, even the phrase “each other”
doesn’t make any sense.
The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you.
Don’t go back to sleep.
You must ask for what you really want.
Don’t go back to sleep.
People are going back and forth across the doorsill
where the two worlds touch.
The door is round and open.
Don’t go back to sleep.”
Dmartin: Thanks for posting this quote too. I love this. This speaks to Jesus being the door of the sheep in the Kingdom of Heaven (yes, it is where it and this world touch:) John 10:9, " I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture." I have seen it (it is rounded at the top), but I keep going back to sleep it is so easy to do night after night. It is hard sometimes to stay awake asking to get what you really want. However, I look forward to someday soon my time will come (I knew when I seen it, I seen it ahead of time) that I'll stay awake and go to Him-the door will be open.
-Rumi
https://www.elephantjournal.com/2016/12 ... -all-read/