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learning in afterlife ?

Post by sunlionspirit » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:50 am

hello, there are so much things that I try to understand, if possible of course !! because well we cann't understand most of the happenings in NDE afterlife experience, but anyway here is my question to experiencers who could maybe put a little light on the subject .....
I hear lots of experiencers tell about their NDE and telling us that in afterlife there are also big libraries and/or schools where they saw people reading big books and learning ..... my question : if you read their experiences you see that everyone of them have immediate knowing of all things, suffice to focus on a subject and you understand everything about it ... so why would you need "schools" up there then ? why would you need to "learn" things ? why would you d'office have to come to this earth realm to learn things about love and loving when you up there in afterlife already know and experience everything about it ?
I find this all very bizar .....
Why should there be a necessity to come to this earth in blood and flesh to experience what you already experience a 1000 % up there by just fixing attention on it ???
I think that when we come to earth it is just a little part of our "soul/spirit" that penetrates this realm, we divide from the spirit world/afterlife just like if you should plunge into the swimming pool to experience waterlife so to say ...... the soul being eternally still in "heaven" and receiving back the experience/feelings but we not being conscious about that here ....
So in "heaven" we can focus on a tree but we are the tree and are totally in fusion with it, to "feel" the tree as a object we have to divide the tree from us, to split the unity, we have to become "matter" and the tree has to become "matter" then we can "feel" it as being apart/split from us in a material way in THIS earth realm .....
The mystery remains : HOW do we split from spirit into MATTER ??? how can MATTER exist ? How can I choose to become matter ?
In quantum physics we have the duality of the wave/particle ... wave (energy) becomes particle when observed, collapse of the wave function .... so as a spirit entity do I also just have to "observe intensely that specific tree" for it to become a "real" tree made out of matter and myself idem at the same moment because splitting the unity ??????? otherwise it is just a spirit tree made of all trees (symbolism) and myself in total unity with it and all the other spiritual realm ???
too much questions ooh yeah .................
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Re: learning in afterlife ?

Post by Giulia » Sat Jan 20, 2018 2:47 am

sunlionspirit wrote:
Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:50 am
hello, there are so much things that I try to understand, if possible of course !! because well we cann't understand most of the happenings in NDE afterlife experience, but anyway here is my question to experiencers who could maybe put a little light on the subject .....
I hear lots of experiencers tell about their NDE and telling us that in afterlife there are also big libraries and/or schools where they saw people reading big books and learning ..... my question : if you read their experiences you see that everyone of them have immediate knowing of all things, suffice to focus on a subject and you understand everything about it ... so why would you need "schools" up there then ?
Hi, sunlionspirit. I find these questions of great interest too. Since I have always been curious about NDErs' and mediumistic accounts of the Afterlife, I have also read of people who had to 'unlearn' things after death. I have come to the conclusion that our dictionaries do not really contain enough words to illustrate the notions NDErs try to convey.

Besides not having the words to describe the full meaning of the experience, I also feel that our brain acts as a filter (what some call the 'reducing valve') and will only allow for certain notions to be expressed or understood in our physical waking lives. Based on what I can remember of the Star Trek series, there was some kind of 'prime directive' which prevented beings from interfering in other beings' life. I always felt that was a way of conveying the notion of 'reducing valve'.

In his essay The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley (1894–1963) refers to the theory of French philosopher Henri Louis Bergson (1859–1941) whereby the chief purpose of the brain, the nervous system and the sensory organs is to eliminate information rather than produce it. Huxley states,
Reflecting on my experience, I find myself agreeing with the eminent Cambridge philosopher, Dr. C. D. Broad, "that we should do well to consider much more seriously than we have hitherto been inclined to do the type of theory which Bergson put forward in connection with memory and sense perception. The suggestion is that the function of the brain and nervous system and sense organs is in the main eliminative and not productive. Each person is at each moment capable of remembering all that has ever happened to him and of perceiving everything that is happening everywhere in the universe. The function of the brain and nervous system is to protect us from being overwhelmed and confused by this mass of largely useless and irrelevant knowledge, by shutting out most of what we should otherwise perceive or remember at any moment, and leaving only that very small and special selection which is likely to be practically useful." According to such a theory, each one of us is potentially Mind at Large. But in so far as we are animals, our business is at all costs to survive. To make biological survival possible, Mind at Large has to be funneled through the reducing valve of the brain and nervous system. What comes out at the other end is a measly trickle of the kind of consciousness which will help us to stay alive on the surface of this Particular planet.
Therefore, the ordinary or ‘normal’ state of consciousness is a measly trickle of concepts compared to what we are capable of knowing. There may well be a very good reason for this.

I might have already mentioned to you John L. Brooker's book,If Heaven Is So Wonderful … Why Come Here? How to Discover Our “Whole Being” (Blue Dolphin Publishing, Inc, 2004). He touches on a number of these questions.

Maybe the word 'learning' is a synonym for several other notions, such as 'discovering', 'exploring', 'creating'... These are words I have found in NDE accounts.

For instance, in Dannion Brinkley's 28 minute NDE, he describes some kind of teamwork between discarnate spirits who do not have the courage to come to this world, and 'heroes' and 'heroines' (humans) who bravely come to this world to co-create with God.

Mellen-Thomas Benedict, who was dead for at least 90 minutes in 1982 as a result of terminal brain cancer (and only recently died on 31 March 2017) was told by 'a great light of love' that 'We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.' (you can find the full account of this very profound NDE here: Mellen-Thomas Benedict's NDE).

So, if I were to suggest an answer to your questions, so far my conclusions, after reading many NDE accounts, is that experiencing life on earth is like using a magnifying glass to explore notions we take for granted in the purely spiritual dimension and thus enrich the whole of creation.

About quantum physics, I look forward to hearing what other members and experiencers suggest. My impression is that science will eventually come to an understanding of the Big Picture, but it may still take some 'physical' time to reach that stage.
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Re: learning in afterlife ?

Post by sunlionspirit » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:29 pm

hello Giulia, thanks for your answer ! I have to go further in it, reading more about what you said .... yes I understand that the experiencers do not have at all the words to express, to explain, to tell about their NDE experience. And also yes they may not take with them back to earthly life all the information they got up there .... so yes our brain and our senses with it, are just instruments to mesure and calibrate matter, form, smell, taste, words etc ..... it is the computer that can calculate all about THIS reality and project in our mind a reality like a film on a screen ....
Now it is all about "observation" in fact ! Here on earth we make observations, we observe things on the other side of "us" ... we are split into "me" and "those things up there" .... so I really think that, like the quantum physics explain, the "observation" creates the world reality, the "particle world" ! The collapse of the wave function, the energy becomes particle just by observing and that is what we want to do when we come to earth, live in the particle world and observe ... !
In afterlife we do not observe, we ARE the totality of the being, there is no collapse of the energy wave function, it is all energy and all united, there are no particles, no matter, only light of a unknown sort ......
So the only act of observing as you say it : "a magnifying glass to explore notions we take for granted in the purely spiritual dimension and thus enrich the whole of creation" creates our world here.
Also not observing anything here in my ego mind (no thinking, meditation, consciously by own choice) but let it flow makes it possible to unite with my spirit/soul and escape reality ...... still having my body yes but disconnected ..... the moment I think again, observe with my mind, I am back in this reality of matter and time and space ...... so, never observe if you want to become a spiritual being ! just let go, go with the flow ...
To go to sleep is also a stopping of the "observation" but our brains are not stupid, they create a virtual observation, a dream that ressembles an observation, a erratic pseudo observation for own purpose of biological necessity ......
Who knows ............... but I am certain quantum physics will reveal the spirit world, also now with the quantum entanglment study of particles which there it means there is no time, no space ..... what a joy to think about it all and try to find a answer but yet so much to find and study in NDE !!!
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Re: learning in afterlife ?

Post by Giulia » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:04 am

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Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:29 pm
To go to sleep is also a stopping of the "observation" but our brains are not stupid, they create a virtual observation, a dream that ressembles an observation, a erratic pseudo observation for own purpose of biological necessity ......
Hi, sunlionspirit. Thanks for sharing your ideas and the connection between what Quantum Physics is discovering about the role of 'observation' and our eschatological theories.

May I ask you to elaborate on what you have said about dreams? Do you feel the only purpose of dreams is to comply with a biological necessity?
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Re: learning in afterlife ?

Post by sunlionspirit » Sun Jan 28, 2018 3:48 am

hello Giulia, hello !
as I told before ( I think I did .. ) I am french speaking normally ( and Dutch also ) so my english is not perfect and it is sometimes not easy at all for me to put the correct words to express my thoughts .... so be it ....
What I think about dreams and dreaming ? I think first of all there are 2 kinds of dreaming while sleeping : normal dreams and vivid/lucid dreams.
Then there are OBE that can happen while sleeping ( same as NDE but not originated by an accident or a life threatened cause, can happen during daytime ( meditation for example ) or while sleeping ) .....
I am not at all a specialist but you ask me so I tell you what I think.
The OBE "dreams" I think may not be called "dreams", in fact they are not dreams because they are really experiences like NDE but just happening while sleeping ( or not ! ), in the same way like NDE can happen while in coma or during a accident or surgical operation.
So normal dreaming or vivid dreaming is only just ( I think ! ) a biological necessity for the brain during sleep, the body is resting and recovering energy while the senses are not at work and so let me say the brain needs to be occupied during the phases of sleep and so it simulates/creates "virtual" environments and "virtual" happenings/sceneries and sensations but without any "logical"
correlation amongst them.
It is a chaotic creation of some kind of reality because well the brain has to be occupied, it cann't shut of totally, just like the hearth continues to beat and the breathing continues ... so it is all SUBCONSCIOUS and in total relation with the subconscious self.
In that it can so reveal subconscious problems in the way pain is related to the body, so visualisation in dreams can reveal subconscious problems.
In abscence of the senses, in absence of conscious OBSERVATION while sleeping, the brain continues to "work" but on a lower level, it cann't stop working totally so it is a biological necessity to calm down like for the body to destress and recover ...
So yes I think normal dreaming is just a biological necessity for the brain but it can of course make appear subconscious problems or fears or other things.
Vivid dreams are just normal dreams but I would say it like this :
- normal dream : the car is driven out of my control by "something" else, I am submitted to the scenery and all etc ...
- vivid dream : I poorly drive the car myself and I have a little bit of "control" but it still is all so blurring, unstable, fleeting ...

Could we say : dreaming is "experiencing" ( for the lack of better ) the subconsciousness, being wake up is experiencing the consciousness and OBE/NDE is experiencing the infinite higher consciousness ......

So well, that is what I think about it .... what do you think ? have a nice day !!
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Re: learning in afterlife ?

Post by johnbower » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:52 pm

We will take an eternity to learn everything there is to learn in the SPIRITUAL WORLD.

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