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anthonychipoletti wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 8:57 pm Dmartin, thank you so much for trusting us with your wonderful experiences !!

Dmartin: You're welcome

If I understand the righteousness which is from God by faith, then I am freely choosing to become Christ Jesus.

That is, in the eyes of God, my identity as Anthony has nothing which I would want God to see, so Anthony dies.

There is nothing that Anthony has done nor experienced which I want God to see, so I am resurrected with Jesus.

Dmartin: Sorry, I'm a bit confused here. I think you didn't mean to say you become Christ Jesus because you say you are resurrected with Jesus. I'd say you know that Christ Jesus Himself is our Lord and Savior.

I believe we have freedom to identify ourselves and define our experiences, so this is my free choice. [To allow God to see who I am in Christ, and to allow Christ to be who I am in God's eyes.]

Dmartin: Are you only wanting me to understand what you're telling me about is your belief? Or are you wanting to debate about our different experiences?

ALL the other ideas and sources would simply confuse me

Dmartin: I do not any more rely on myself/anyone else for interpreting Scripture. Scripture alone interprets itself in the truth it is God's word I hear and do. The Apostle Paul made it clear to hearers and doers of the word there is counting losses. Knowing and understanding the scriptures hasn't changed. No ideas and/or sources are needed. There is total freedom from that so there is no confusion.

anthonychipoletti wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 4:48 am Dmartin, I am happy that you have no confusion

Dmartin: Thank you. It is like Jesus' parable on earning the penny I'm on the side it took many years to get it:)

I, however, am a confused old man

As Giulia describes, we who have had an NDE, or whatever these experiences actually are in God's eyes, we often cannot remember exactly what happened ??

Dmartin: That you, Giulia, and others, often cannot remember exactly what happened doesn't make confusion. Yes, these experiences are actually in God's eyes-He sees them-He knows them even the loved ones/others who were in them sees and knows them. That these experiences are also in His and your loved ones/others remembrance not just yours. What is important is that God and all of them hasn't forgot anything that happened with every one of you. What you/anyone have remembered or forgotten is known in Heaven. So, don't be concerned with what is forgotten you have it anyway just as you have what is remembered.

In 1945, my experience included what I believe was an intangible awareness of my Uncle Neal who was killed about a year before my experience.

I felt that Jesus was with my uncle and with my spirit, however only my uncle seemed to communicate.

I felt Jesus was communicating with my uncle's spirit, and my uncle's spirit was communicating with me.

I believed in Christ and practiced Catholicism without really understanding Scriptures or any religion ??

Dmartin: Your experience with Jesus and your uncle was real. We all come to Jesus through the Father like a little child starting out knowing nothing. Whether Christ was preached to us in a/any doctrine of man (yours was Catholicism, mine was Baptist) which was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ (I had a few experiences here before so I know what you mean) or He is preached to us in truth this is in being born again starting out not knowing anything in truth. Either way Christ is preached.

You may not believe me, however, you have shown me ALL I need to know about Christ and who I am !!

Dmartin: Yes, I do! I'm very happy for you!

I understood you to say your NDE was not medical, it was:

Dmartin: I've told you that I've not had a NDE. I've not told you that I have already attained both above. That my death experience was not in medical/other. It was in Christ Jesus.

Sorry I am too confused to EVER go beyond this: Jesus is the spiritual presence who is seen by God as Son.

Dmartin: That's ok. I just showed what I mean my death experience is in with this Scripture I quoted. That this death experience being raised from the dead in Christ (I have part in the first resurrection) applies to me. Like the Apostle Paul said is what I did I acknowledged that to a degree so now, "I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus," Phil 3:14.

Jesus gives me his spirit, of God's Son, who Jesus is, so I have no need for my human identity, it is nothing.

I also have no need for any human experience other than to accept the free gift from God to be in Christ.

NOTHING ELSE WILL EVER MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME ABOUT BEING HUMAN !! Only these last two statements.

anthonychipoletti wrote: ↑Wed Sep 06, 2023 10:22 pm Dmartin, it will probably take me a month to understand everything we have written here so far

Dmartin: anthonychipoletti, well, you are off to a great start. You are not confused!

It has taken 84 years just to realize that I am free to identify my human self and define my experiences !!

I know what to do with my human identity and experiences and that is what you helped me understand !!

Dmartin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 05, 2023 6:23 pm Hello Giulia,

Dmartin: Also, hello to everyone who has had NDEs/other experiences. Giulia and I moved our discussion to this forum. If you would like to catch up on it you can read prior in Say Hello the subject is Hello from Michigan. In case any were to wonder, I will tell you that I'm a woman and I'm in my mid 60s.

Giulia you asked me, how do I feel my dad's willingness to come and find me from Heaven may have impacted the success of this after-death meeting? Good question. While I was telling him about seeing Mom in Heaven, he was very excited even astounded and anxious. Right when I finished, he told me he will try to find me in Heaven (that implied curiosity if he did find me, then he would have, which would have been done in his willingness). Then I told him, if it is in God's will, you will. I seen he instantly believed and understood that as any emotion he had or would have even his willingness was gone. He became completely relaxed and calm. He clearly realized he didn't have to try to find me that God will bring him to me (He knows where I am on earth and in Heaven). I made it where there was no other way for him to understand actually finding me. Thus, my dad's willingness had no impact at all in the success of this after-death meeting. The impact in the total success of this after-death meeting was done by God in His will. I just had a thought that is kind of funny. My Dad was one that if anyone could do something for him (even if he wanted to do it) he was all for someone else doing it for him. This one act of God topped them all!

Dmartin: As to what else you said, I realize you didn't say that I did. I already understood you said that as a suggestion, and the following you said is a further explation of that; "It can be very challenging to remember all the details and knowings that come to a person who has a NDE, for instance, because our physical brains are not equipped to retain that sort of information or even speak it in words." I should have told you what I'm about to say is on a different level. Sorry for misunderstanding. I wish it wasn't easy to talk past each other. What you said is correct. You may not realize to the extent that you are. If what you said was possible that would be in with having confidence in the flesh. You understand that it is not possible. You count it as a loss. That is correct.

Dmartin: I told you what I said is in a different (higher) level it continues in gain. This is where we can equip our brains to retain (even if we haven't remembered it all) that sort of information even speaking it in words. Now what you have counted as loss I understand it as have counted loss for Christ and that we may be found in Him continuing to gain in our confidence being of the same mind. I put more understanding in parenthesis...

Dmartin: 1 Phil:9-14, and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith: that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection of the dead. Not that I have already attained (to the resurrection from the dead, he has), or am already perfected (he is); but I press on (from after both), that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me (after both). Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended (both); but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to (after) those things which are ahead, I press forward toward the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Vs 16, "Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained (both), let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind." Vs 20-21, "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ., who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able event to subdue all things to Himself."

Dmartin: I've told you that I've not had a NDE. I've not told you that I have already attained both above. That my death experience was not in medical/other. It was in Christ Jesus.

Giulia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 12:25 am
Hello Giulia,

Thanks for clarifying your point and for your valuable contribution to the discussion of NDEs.

Dmartin: You're welcome.

I am not quite sure we are saying the same things regarding religion and Christianity.

My understanding is that the various world religions have something deeply in common, such as the Golden Rule that we are meant to treat others in the same way we would like to be treated ourselves and other universal laws. At the same time, I believe that humans have overlooked and often torn apart the critical meaning of the core beliefs religions share. Religions have led to misunderstanding, power struggles, wars and evil.

Dmartin: I also understand various world religions sharing/united in the Golden Rule/s. It is not that humans-believers have overlooked they have torn apart the critical meaning of the core beliefs religions share. It is rather they have intentionally did that. The main reason why they did that is they have for a long time been judging one another (we're right everyone else is wrong) whether in their doctrines and/or what others do in their lives. They have escalated themselves to the point here in the USA many now want to start a civil war against everyone not on their side. What they have overlooked is God has known all along about their evil works especially the leaders' they follow who are not their friends. They also don't know He has sent them strong delusion that they should believe a lie. Everything God does is for His Glory.

This having been said, I understand the words "faith in Christ" are meaningful to you, and I respect this. On the other hand, I feel the historical "Christ" is a mixture of human faulty records and different interpretations and that the word "faith", in particular, is often used to mean wishful thinking: based on my understanding, in order to work as it is supposed to, "faith" should equal the idea of a full expectation.

Dmartin: Yes, the word "faith" is often used to mean wishful thinking. Yes, there are different interpretations of the word "faith." Here they are correctly: The words "faith in Christ" are very meaningful to me this faith is His own. As I explained below in Scripture (sorry I got the numbers mixed up in first part, I think I recall its Phil 4:11-14) my being found in Christ is through faith (it is) in Christ. There is another meaning for the word "faith" based in Abraham found it, justification by grace through faith alone this faith is for believers without working. Then there is yet another meaning for the word "faith" it is found in believers who are a hearer and doer of the word (I'm one) the works they show in doing it is by their own faith. I have all three faiths.

I share your interest in NDEs and, for example, I am intrigued by Mellen-Thomas Benedict's experience. When, during his NDE, Mellen asks God about religions, God replies "I do not care!" This, coupled with Mellen's full recovery from terminal brain cancer after being dead for hours, suggests that the Universal Laws related to Divine Consciousness are indeed of a higher level, but not necessarily related to one single religious approach.

Dmartin: Thanks for the homework. Really. I share quite a lot of experiences. I had a couple of topics happen he had but mine was before I was born. All of our souls and spirits were the same adult (we were holy first) in Heaven before we were born. I remember I knew I was close to being sent to the world to be born and I looked back to a place where I had been in past time/s. That's all I recall about reincarnation. Soon I was standing with Jesus I was sincerely telling Him to remember me (He did of course . The black hole is not just for the afterlife it is also for coming from Heaven to be born in the world. I do not know if there is more than one black hole. I don't recall if Mellen mentioned more than one. I'm not a scientist so I didn't relate to some of the science stuff.

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Hello Giulia,

Dmartin: Also, hello to everyone who has had NDEs/other experiences. Giulia and I moved our discussion to this forum. If you would like to catch up on it you can read prior in Say Hello the subject is Hello from Michigan. In case any were to wonder, I will tell you that I'm a woman and I'm in my mid 60s.

Giulia you asked me, how do I feel my dad's willingness to come and find me from Heaven may have impacted the success of this after-death meeting? Good question. While I was telling him about seeing Mom in Heaven, he was very excited even astounded and anxious. Right when I finished, he told me he will try to find me in Heaven (that implied curiosity if he did find me, then he would have, which would have been done in his willingness). Then I told him, if it is in God's will, you will. I seen he instantly believed and understood that as any emotion he had or would have even his willingness was gone. He became completely relaxed and calm. He clearly realized he didn't have to try to find me that God will bring him to me (He knows where I am on earth and in Heaven). I made it where there was no other way for him to understand actually finding me. Thus, my dad's willingness had no impact at all in the success of this after-death meeting. The impact in the total success of this after-death meeting was done by God in His will. I just had a thought that is kind of funny. My Dad was one that if anyone could do something for him (even if he wanted to do it) he was all for someone else doing it for him. This one act of God topped them all!

Dmartin: As to what else you said, I realize you didn't say that I did. I already understood you said that as a suggestion, and the following you said is a further explation of that; "It can be very challenging to remember all the details and knowings that come to a person who has a NDE, for instance, because our physical brains are not equipped to retain that sort of information or even speak it in words." I should have told you what I'm about to say is on a different level. Sorry for misunderstanding. I wish it wasn't easy to talk past each other. What you said is correct. You may not realize to the extent that you are. If what you said was possible that would be in with having confidence in the flesh. You understand that it is not possible. You count it as a loss. That is correct.

Dmartin: I told you what I said is in a different (higher) level it continues in gain. This is where we can equip our brains to retain (even if we haven't remembered it all) that sort of information even speaking it in words. Now what you have counted as loss I understand it as have counted loss for Christ and that we may be found in Him continuing to gain in our confidence being of the same mind. I put more understanding in parenthesis...

Dmartin: 1 Phil:9-14, and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith: that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection of the dead. Not that I have already attained (to the resurrection from the dead, he has), or am already perfected (he is); but I press on (from after both), that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me (after both). Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended (both); but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to (after) those things which are ahead, I press forward toward the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus." Vs 16, "Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained (both), let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind." Vs 20-21, "For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ., who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able event to subdue all things to Himself."

Dmartin: I've told you that I've not had a NDE. I've not told you that I have already attained both above. That my death experience was not in medical/other. It was in Christ Jesus.

Giulia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2023 10:23 pm That’s great that you have three types of faith

I too have been blessed with having pre-birth memories regarding my life here on Earth.

I find many people waste (or rather throw away) their lives criticizing others or (what’s even worse) complaining about things.

To be able to continue to see the Kingdom of Heaven all around us is wonderful, and it is my purpose in life.

I try hard never to compare myself to others, focus on the here and now and be grateful. When I fail, I start over again.

These are just a few ideas that come to mind: it is past midnight here in Italy.

Thank you so much again for this thought-provoking conversation.

Dmartin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2023 4:17 pm
Dmartin: You're welcome.

Dmartin: I forgot that I was going to comment on what you quoted Mellen said was God's reply to his question about religions, "I don't care." I also had a similar experience. Back in '95 I was driving, and I asked God which church I should go to for learning the truth that I didn't want any to lead me astray. That I only wanted to know and understand the truth. He didn't lead me to any church. He led me to the Holy Scripture and the Holy Spirit opened the scriptures to me. A few years ago, he led me to a church whose members are of the elect. I went there for about a year, and I met with the pastor because perfume/cologne was making it hard for me to breathe and had caused me to have a couple asthma attacks. I told him I was sorry to tell him that unless they would stop using it, I would not be able to come back. He wouldn't do that and told me there are church services I could read online. Anyway, there were times during Bible studies that I would understand his teaching members the meanings in the scriptures, then I would write/tell a different meaning and he didn't respond any time I did that. What he didn't know is that I'm also one of Christ's sheep that I'm of another fold of the elect that they are not of. It is like Jesus told Peter to feed His sheep, he thought he was, He told him He has meat to eat of he didn't know. Thus, I wasn't like minded with them and the pastor didn't know to also feed me. I still have no one like minded with me in understanding the scriptures.

Dmartin: So, I have a question. Is there anywhere in Mellen's experiences he says that God opened the Holy Scripture to him and there are times he refers to knowing and understanding it? If not (or to anyone else had an NDE), that tells me, God also doesn't care to teach everyone to know and understand the scriptures. Well, that does speak to the multitudes now and throughout the ages. And this is also a good thing. God does everything for His glory.