LET'S ALL AGREE TO DISAGREE !!

[Giulia]

Hi, Tony.

Can you please elaborate on what you mean when you say “In infinity”?

[Giulia]

Thanks, Tony!

Here is what I grasp from your initial post:

You believe that God is always present, even if we are not aware of it. This means that God is not waiting for us to die or have a near-death experience in order to be with us. Rather, God is with us all the time, in every moment. I agree.

You believe that there is no memory in infinity, i. e. that we have existed forever with God, and we have never been apart from God. There is no beginning or end to our relationship with God. Ok, but what about “this physical experience”? Are you denying the purpose of this physical experience and of the unique creative role of the memories we generate in 3D space and linear time?

You believe that the human experience of time and space has distorted our beliefs about God. Because we are limited by time and space, we often think of God as being separate from us. You have not forgotten that God is beyond time and space, and that God is always with us. I have come to the same conclusion.

You believe that a work of art is any aspect of existence which is created in time. What about people like me who manage to recreate the conditions for being in the flow while creating a work of art?

[Giulia]

Thanks for your patience, Tony.

I now guess I see what you mean:

- Infinity is too much to remember, and that is why we cannot remember that we have existed forever.
- We are free to identify ourselves and what we experience.
- The memories we create are real and we can do whatever we want with them.
- We always exist in the flow. Even though creating a work of art technically has a starting point within some aspect of linear time, it is a process that helps people to consciously experience being in the flow.

[Giulia]

Hello, Tony. This thread could be renamed as “ Tony’s Essential Dictionary”.

Your definitions of actuality and reality are very interesting. They seem to be based on the idea that actuality is a more fundamental or essential reality than reality. In your view, actuality is timeless, intangible, and authentic, while reality is temporal, physical, and limited.

I think there is some truth to this distinction. Our experience of reality is certainly shaped by our physical bodies and our place in time and space. However, others could state that there is something more to reality than what we can perceive with our senses, that there is a deeper reality that exists beyond our limited understanding.

In addition:

- You believe that thoughts are a complex process that is difficult to explain.
- You believe that Einstein was a scientific philosopher, and that his thought experiments were more than just scientific exercises.
- You believe that the physical reality is a temporal reification of the waveform, and that the waveform is the underlying reality from which all physicality originates.
- You believe that the BEC experiment is evidence of this, as it shows that atoms can be transformed back into the waveform.
- You believe that the BEC experiment is where science ends and intangible awareness begins.

I think your thoughts are very interesting, and I guess you are not the only person who thinks that Einstein was a scientific philosopher. His thought experiments were not just about testing scientific theories, but also about exploring the nature of reality.

The BEC experiment sounds a fascinating phenomenon. It shows that atoms can be transformed into a single entity, a wave. This suggests that there is a deeper reality underlying the physical world, a reality that is not limited by time and space.

I think your definition of the waveform as "the light such as in NDEs, the breath of God" is very poetic. It captures the sense of awe and wonder that we feel when we experience something truly transcendent.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[Giulia]

Hi, Tony.

I agree that our perception of physical reality is unique to each observer. Our senses are limited, and we can only perceive a small portion of the electromagnetic spectrum, for example. We also have different experiences and beliefs that shape our perception of the world.

As you said, this means that we each agree that our perception of the physical is unique, but we may disagree on some or all of the ways we define our experience. For example, two people might look at the same painting and see completely different things. One person might see a beautiful landscape, while the other person might see a dark and foreboding scene.

I think it's important to remember that there is no one right way to perceive the world. Our experiences are subjective, and there is no way to objectively measure or compare them. This can be frustrating at times, but it also allows for a great deal of richness and diversity in our understanding of the world.

Thank you, Tony, for wrapping up this topic. It's been a fascinating discussion.

I would also like to add that I think it's important to be open to different perspectives on physical reality. Just because someone sees the world differently than we do doesn't mean they're wrong. It simply means that they have a different set of experiences and beliefs that shape their perception. By being open to different perspectives, we can learn more about the world and ourselves.

[Giulia]

…I realize now that there is a physical reality which may completely change over time but which has value in creating our identity.

This sounds a very comforting idea, Tony

As for me, getting evidence and support about this identity and its survival to physical death has always been the main drive behind all my Afterlife research. Ever since my access to pre-birth memories in 2012, I have had an even stronger piece of evidence that:

1) Incarnation is not a 9-month process
2) Our identities already exist in an atmosphere and environment of pure unconditional love before we enter this physical experience, in another type of time which is however related to this physical time. I believe we earn our right to have an identity the moment we decide to co-create with God, something that spirit beings who have never incarnated have no entitlement to.

Among the first NDE accounts I have read, Dannion Brinkley’s and Betty Eadie’s have both supported this theory of mine that our identities as co-creators are eternal.